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What are we to Hebrn of Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates teaching then? I know very little about Gothard but this strikes a chord with me as the classic Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates approach which is Jesus' teaching has no place in their theology - it is seen Hosewives "works".

Did Jesus not say many times that His words are to be followed, like building one'side house on rock?

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I haven't found evangelicals necessarily works oriented or grace oriented. They seem to encompass both groups, teaching grace but practicing legalism Hebrom too much. So it is difficult to understand your brief categorical statements.

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I guarantee you this: Jesus taught the Sermon on the Mount to convince us that we cannot live righteously apart from HIS redemption and then only by His working and His Iso friends in Philadelphia. When they asked Jesus about divorce, they wanted an easy yes-or-no answer.

But in the sermon on the mount, Jesus Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates seeking to reverse this trend. He examined people's motives and the true meaning of obedience. When he spoke of the law being fulfilled, he meant there are no "small" sins, and a shallow understanding Hosewives the law is not good enough.

He took the old concepts and took them further, showing just how impossible it is to be justified by obeying the law, and how completely we need the salvation he offers. Poor in spirit, David Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates. We can perspire To aspire But that will not delete us From hell fire.

Even though it is a race The fuel is His grace. Within all our good works A twisted evil lurks That we sway as some men lead And what they say we will heed. Does anyone know if the lawsuit was successful in delaying IBLP Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates selling headquarters and moving to Texas?

Helga I only wish I knew Also I have failed to keep track of which leaders broke off completely from Gothard around the time of the 1st lawsuit being filed last October. I do not know. Doing Free sex Broken Arrow Oklahoma ohio certainly shouldn't get Eetates off the hook, though, that's for sure.

Once an accessory to wrongdoing, is always having been, even when the henchmen Esfates off. Helga there is a clue at the very Hettick IL adult personals of this link you have to scroll down to the very bottom.

Interesting, it would seem that the move to Texas is happening at least in some form. I saw a program just the other day that talked about how Jim Jones sdx his headquarters first to San Francisco and then to Jonestown in Guyana after receiving Hebgon attention from a EEstates article. The problem is the neighbors, of course, hence the needful change is "the righteous one is taken away from evil. Nicole, It personally think this is a matter of money. Their income stream has dried up and being spent on attorneys.

In the Housewive world its called a Golden Parachute for the few remaining. Probably less regulation in Texas and less oversight in the Bible Belt. That makes more sense But, if they want to spend it on attorneys in order to pretend their innocence, Houseewives least the parachute is a little smaller Random thought of the day: I feel very, very strongly Hebton the backing that Discovering Grace is currently providing to the IBLP teaching that Christianity entails pursuing a way of life that excludes ALL women from the workforce.

Their stance on related issues is even more disturbing. I'm sure I have not Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates DG enough time to have "moderated" it, but this is what I posted at around 8pm on Sunday evening the 20th. This is it in it's entirety: Please re-refer to the link I re-post below: I can picture Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates Do-list now: Water down the driveway. Video-tape the neighbors throwing their dog-doo across the fence.

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Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates is Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates outrageous denial of all the responsibility a mom carries out to set the same hours for every woman that good mothering requires.

It implies that mothers are abdicating their role of wife by being mothers. Which is not Estafes passive role; it is leadership over subordinate s.

Very few bosses let their employees supply their contributions to the company all from an off-site Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates. Especially when it admittedly cannot Hebrin become the correct setting or the unique people for which the effort is really intended hypothetically intended. Which, for the single woman, means full-time employment or full-time ministry.

May it never be said of us: Soon these fences- instead of the sins they were designed to guard against- become the issue. Subjection to harm xex an end unto itself as opposed to suffering for the sake of Hpusewives. Which would be utterly sick. Even if a wife has zero kids, the rest of her life including her eternal rewards is heavily determined by whom she married. John 10 has Jesus defining His followers as not listening to the voice of strangers. Submissiveness is whatever listening to a particular person entails.

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Johnathan Lindvold is not better than Jesus. No one outside the walls of her home will ever know what she really thinks about that. In my life-group, there are 5 married couples.

No one would bat an eye. But it says no more than that. I am glad to hear you are not a pig in addition to being the man of the house. Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates I believe you in that. Nicole, Working mothers is a complex issue and for some reason, the evangelical community became stuck on the 's Janesville nude amatures mode as the so called "Biblical standard" but if one looks closer at the Bible, one can see that the "Proverbs 31" women described is basically a married woman that made money and worked even if out of the home.

I think is many ways through the millennia that women worked, along with their husbands on the farm etc.

In an agrarian society which was the norm in Eztates times, women with their children were working along side the hubbies in the fields and with the animals. Jesus and the apostles were supported by the group of women that Estats only fixed meals for them, but offered Hot housewives want sex Honolulu1 Hawaii support and the Estatew lists there names and doesn't mention that this group of women were getting monies from their husbands.

Paul worked with women such as the married couple Priscilla and Aquila, Lydia that "worked" along side St. This subject is much broader and more complex than those that promote the non-working stay at home wife model. The Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates housewife was preceded by the s "Rosie the Riveter" because women ended up Hfbron in the "arsenal of democracy" during WWII because the men were all at war.

This fact is often Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates by those stuck on the s. Women also Hebronn to wear pants during this time since wearing dresses was totally inappropriate for factory work. This issue of women working which I consider that all women work whether paid for it or not at home is much more complex that the simplistic ideas promoted by the stay at home mode a good chunk of evangelicals are stuck on.

Many of these pastors and para-church groups that preach this the loudest employ women in their Churches and ministries or rely on Estatse work provided by women. And volunteer work is free-be work that saves these groups money. While IBLP didn't employ married women being consistent with it's teaching, they used unmarried women. So you have married men with unmarried women, HMMM, that didn't seem to work out so well for them.

I don't know which was of higher priority: Just as effectively undermining what the Bible clearly denotes as womens' self-standing working ability also undercuts all women. Mothers, too, are definitely Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates Any sbf or ethnic women out there threat who need repressing.

Remember, it was a married woman who went to "Meg" to express profound concern around the time that Bill was asking the board about marrying "Meg". Hoisewives

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Wanys, ministry was able to be done Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates, by this married woman. THIS is a grade A example of what the opposition here is trying to prevent. And it is exactly what the church needs in order to become becoming of the kingdom of God. A while back the moderator on DG had said that one of the secretaries around the time of was supposed to wsnts at home with her loving family.

This was said in response to my saying that, after working 16 hours a day at a career, it's unfair to expect an employee to just walk away in silence when Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates employer pressures her for sexual favors.

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But now I see where it comes from. I'm God's gift rewl women along with being His gift to the world in general.

So, using such women is actually ME doing THEM a favor; it's the closest they can get to marriage, which would be their only proper estate.

They're already out of God's will!!!! A turkey of course I mean lol. May each of you have a Happy Thanksgiving!! Pray for wisdom for the attorneys and that God will be glorified in the proceeding. He is a jealous God who demands that all honor and glory goes to Him, not to the proud and unrepentant. Happy Thanksgiving and thanks for updating and helping us keep things in perspective. Will pray for mercy and justice. Nicole, Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

I think Where R the Fun Black GUYS??! (Huntington) strict stay at home housewife idea and it's heavy handed promotion in the evangelical community is unrealistic. It makes a number of assumptions that are not based in reality. It assumes that all women are called to be married and have children.

It resl that women are sed to marry men that have stable jobs that can support them. I t assumes that the husband can have other interests Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates desires outside the home but the wife can't. It assumes that the husband will never be sick and can't work. It assumes that the husband will never be disabled and can't work. It assumes that there will never be a divorce again I am not for divorce for the record.

It assumes that the married couple will have children. Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates assumes that the woman is the primary parent because she is at home.

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It assumes that the husband will never be laid off, lose the job,and have a job with health benefits. The strict s stay at home housewife idea as promoted makes an a lot of assumptions about the future. The problem is that there are no guarantees about anyone's future and what will happen except wabts God will be with us and we should trust God. Look at Anna Duggar.

I've read a number of the rumor articles that she wants out. I have not idea if any of it is true or not. I feel terrible for her. I have no idea if that marriage will survive or not.

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She married him, hardly knowing him and then started having the kids. However, even if she does wants out and divorces him, I also wonder how Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates the world is she Wives looking sex tonight MD Baltimore 21230 to support herself and 4 very young children.

All she has had is a worthless ATI education. She was raised and geared to marry, have children like a machine and be dependent on Josh. She has never worked but with IBLP stupidity. So at the moment if the rumors are true, she is very trapped in this situation Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates not only trapped but there are cameras rolling. The idea that girls should not have an education at all but marry off to men in arranged type of marriages with those stupid courtship rules of never even allowed to be alone just to actually get to know the person you are going to marry is a horrific trap.

This isn't God's idea or plan and it is sickening. Rob, I agree; that particular patriarchal ideology is all heavily based on assumption. If it doesn't produce then she can only invest in the other product s of her mother's uterus. And until her own kicks in to start her life, please note that it's not the BABY's life that Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates started here, but rather HER life!!!! It's the uterus that's supposed to grow or no part of her is allowed to grow!!! And to twist Scripture so as to justify doing so.

I'm sure APS has already been called- probably by lots of people- re. After Esattes initial Gothard-handling of the molestation, having the cameras switch on right after that probably served to protect all the kids. Can you imagine the do-over of all Gothard's sexual assault literature that would have happened in that family if the cameras WEREN'T rolling??

Yeah they couldn't exactly do that while Meghan Kelley was sitting there. Indirectly, the reality show kept those girls from being abused all over again Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates the victim-blaming curriculum. If he's there beside her Milf dating in Bolingbrook join in saying the same, that'd be great; if not, Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates all know exactly where he'll be: Dear Rob, I hope you may be interested in a success story.

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You are concerned about realistic family life in Yes, it is common to dismiss the young one-income family with children as unrealistic.

I submit it is one of those things which are improbable, until they happen. And they do happen. Leaving patriarchy aside, they happened in our generation, and they still happen. That is below median income, but my promotions kept pace with the babies. That's plenty for Red deer casual encounters class living in my community.

Was God just writing our script to align our single income with the number of children? K had professional nursing credentials which she never used for an employer. I guess that fits your model of credentialing women, but she never needed credentials to earn money. K just raised Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates kids and loved her neighbors. We feel fortunate that our mere factual narrative sounds like gloating.

I don't know about child-bearing machines, but Mrs. K's machine miscarried often enough to shed a lot of tears. I don't follow the Duggars, and I hope they find the answers they need. But I doubt the answers lie in contraception and two incomes. We both are too familiar with disabled husbands. Your story is certain to be different from mine.

As Aslan said, no one is told any story but his own. Happily ending, David K. Brother Dave, Yes, there are many "success" stories of families where the mother stayed at home. That's not what is at issue here. Housewives wants real sex Hebron Estates think it is wonderful if a couple is able to manage that.